Fight Preparation With UFC Featherweight Josh Emmett | GSC. Episode 11
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Danny Lehr: Welcome to the Gas Station Cappuccino episode 13.
Dean Saddoris: Here we are.
Danny Lehr: By Caffeine and Kilos. I am Danny Lehr. Beside me always, is Dean Saddoris.
Dean Saddoris: Well, across the table this time.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, we got someone between us.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Dean, you always said nothing would come between us, but-
Dean Saddoris: Well, I lied.
Danny Lehr: So we have a special guest.
Dean Saddoris: We sure do.
Danny Lehr: Would you like to introduce him?
Dean Saddoris: Yes, we have Josh Emmett here.
Danny Lehr: Josh Emmett. Of UFC.
Dean Saddoris: Yes.
Danny Lehr: UFC fighter, amongst other things.
Dean Saddoris: Sacramento native.
Danny Lehr: Sacramento native. Collegiate wrestler.
Dean Saddoris: So you were a wrestler too, Danny.
Danny Lehr: I was.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: I did not wrestle in college.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: To be clear on that.
Dean Saddoris: But you're also a wrestling coach.
Danny Lehr: But, I yeah ... I coached for ten years. So that was fun.
Josh Emmett: Where at?
Danny Lehr: In Manteca.
Josh Emmett: Oh, okay.
Danny Lehr: So coached at a couple different high schools there.
Josh Emmett: Okay.
Danny Lehr: But Weston Ranch was the main one. And then East Union and some other schools too.
Josh Emmett: Okay, nice.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. So, first time, you're first guest. I don't know if you know that part or not?
Josh Emmett: I did not know that.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, first guest.
Danny Lehr: Welcome. Yeah.
Josh Emmett: It's an honor.
Danny Lehr: Well, for a long time we were trying to decide if we were gonna have guests.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, it was up in the air. It was up in the air, as far as like if we were gonna do it or not. But we figured why not?
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Why not start with somebody local, somebody that we know that add some cool stuff about insights of training and stuff like that.
Danny Lehr: Well, you know what they say, right? Fuck it.
Dean Saddoris: Fuck it?
Danny Lehr: I mean, that's what I say.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: So, let's do it. And so what we did decide is only in-person guests.
Dean Saddoris: Yes.
Danny Lehr: So only live. [crosstalk 00:01:33]
Dean Saddoris: No call-ins.
Danny Lehr: No call-ins. Fuck that shit.
Josh Emmett: See, I wasn't sure when I, when we-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... I was like, yeah, do you wanna do a Skype or you want me to call in? And I didn't know it was live but-
Danny Lehr: In the flesh.
Josh Emmett: ... Sounds good. That's perfect.
Danny Lehr: All right-
Dean Saddoris: Well, don't worry it's not live. No one can hear this right now.
Danny Lehr: Oh no, it's live.
Dean Saddoris: But it's in-person.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, it is in person.
Dean Saddoris: Well, some people do live-live podcasts.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Dean Saddoris: Ours isn't.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, it's just [inaudible 00:01:53].
Dean Saddoris: Okay.
Danny Lehr: Hey, if you're listening to this, it's live. All right so Josh, I'm gonna be honest with you. So, you came in today, and I thought to myself, all right. So I knew that you're a fighter.
Josh Emmett: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Danny Lehr: Okay? Team Alpha Male.
Josh Emmett: Yes.
Danny Lehr: Out of Sacramento. You walk in, and you don't have any hair. And now definitely there's some razor work on the sides there, on the top though, I'm gonna be honest, looks a little thin, I thought fighters were young guys. I thought fighters were like in their early 20s? So what's going on? How old are you?
Josh Emmett: I'm 32.
Danny Lehr: 32?
Josh Emmett: I'll be 33 in March.
Danny Lehr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: I got into this sport later than most, and ... I started when I was 20, or I started training at least, but as far as the hair goes, it's hereditary, so I can't help myself there.
Dean Saddoris: Danny's gonna be shaving his head soon.
Danny Lehr: No, I might-
Dean Saddoris: He's fighting it.
Danny Lehr: ... It is coming out quick.
Josh Emmett: And then I have ... This is the first time I've grown out a beard.
Danny Lehr: Ah.
Josh Emmett: I'm trying something new since I can't-
Dean Saddoris: It looks good, it's thick.
Josh Emmett: ... I can't do anything upstairs-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... It's only about three weeks old, too. So-
Dean Saddoris: Oh, wow.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, so I can definitely grow a beard. Everyone says it looks good, they wanna see it, my wife wants me to continue to grow it out. It's just it's new, so I'm gonna kinda go with it.
Dean Saddoris: I always get the opposite of that. Kelcey always wants me to shave my beard off.
Danny Lehr: Ah. Well, you know it's funny this guy at my gym always has a beard and his wife's always like on him to keep it. And one time he said, "I wonder what I'd look like clean shaven?" And she said, "Oh, single." That's exactly what you look like.
Dean Saddoris: That's funny.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. So you started when you were 20, started training when you were 20? Now, what did that look like? 'Cause I know that you were ... Are you counting the wrestling as that? Or did you start training a mixed martial arts at that age?
Josh Emmett: No, I actually ... Man, I've been wrestling since middle school, since I was in 7th grade. I played every sport out there, super athletic. I always thought, like a lot of people when you're a little kid, I wanna be a pro-athlete. And I was thinking the NFL, or MLB, or basketball, but then I got a little older, I didn't grow any more-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... So I knew that was out of the picture. And I actually-
Danny Lehr: How tall are you?
Josh Emmett: ... 5'7".
Danny Lehr: Oh.
Josh Emmett: Pretty short, but I'm-
Danny Lehr: Now is that-
Josh Emmett: ... I'm one of the taller ones on Team Alpha Males.
Danny Lehr: ... I was saying-
Dean Saddoris: That's true.
Danny Lehr: ... Is that with shoes on, or without shoes on?
Josh Emmett: Oh, that's without shoes.
Danny Lehr: Ah.
Josh Emmett: I'm looking at 5'8" and a half with shoes on. 5'8" maybe.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, 5'9" if you wear the inserts.
Josh Emmett: Maybe. Some dress shoes. But yeah, so I actually started going into Urijah's gym in 2006.
Danny Lehr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: Just because I've always been a huge fan of fighting and I was watching all the Pay-Per-View events before it was mainstream. Before the Ultimate Fighter came on, and I think that was like 13 years ago?
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: And I went into his gym, I was just taking the regular classes that the public takes, and then Urijah he saw potential in me, and he came up to me about three months into it and asked if I was interested in fighting. And I said, "Of course, that's why I'm here."
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: And he invited me to the pro-classes, I started doing that for about a year, then I went away to school. I went to Menlo College to wrestle and I wanted to get my degree, just in case the fighting didn't work out-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Dean Saddoris: Smart choice.
Josh Emmett: I've got something to fall back on.
Dean Saddoris: Absolutely.
Josh Emmett: That's kind of how that went down, and then I came back in 2010 after I'd graduated and kind of picked up where I had left off.
Dean Saddoris: Very cool.
Danny Lehr: What did you get your degree in?
Josh Emmett: Liberal arts with a concentration in psychology.
Danny Lehr: Okay.
Josh Emmett: 'Cause I also ... The only things I ever wanted to do was be a police officer or a pro-athlete. I'm definitely not really using my degree right now.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: But you never know, maybe in the future. But I love what I'm doing and it's just a lifestyle. Which, you guys know.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: No, absolutely.
Josh Emmett: I don't have a 8-5 I don't have a boss over my shoulder, I can basically do whatever I want, but I have to go practice, I have to stay in shape.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: And it's the dream I'm chasing to be a champion.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Danny Lehr: Man, that's great. Yeah, it's kind of funny, like living that lifestyle, we talk about that all the time. I mean, hey, you know what? If you wanna work a 9-5 and that makes you happy, that's all good. You know what I mean? But there's-
Dean Saddoris: It's a lot less stress.
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: ... There is a ... Yeah. People think, man, what the fuck. Everyone thinks like, "Oh, dude, must be nice." You know what I mean, kinda be able to make your own schedule. It's like-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, working 20 hours a day is great.
Danny Lehr: ... No, actually it's fucking awful. That's what I say like, oh must be ... What do they say? "Work whatever hours you want." I say "Yeah man, pick your 17 hours. You can work whatever 17 hours you want."
Josh Emmett: But for you guys, if you're not working, you're not getting paid. You know-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, exactly.
Josh Emmett: ... Self-employed and man, it's ... A lot of my friends, they work for the state, all this type of stuff. And they're jealous of me like, "Oh, you have it made this and that." And I'm like-
Danny Lehr: Do you explain to them that you get punched in the fucking face every day?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah. Every day. And then I'm jealous of them 'cause they have a retirement, and they have ... There's no stress there-
Dean Saddoris: No, there's job security. I mean you can-
Josh Emmett: ... Exactly.
Dean Saddoris: ... I think you can punch-
Danny Lehr: Healthy ligaments.
Dean Saddoris: ... I think you can punch somebody in the face out of state and you'll still be able to hold onto your job.
Danny Lehr: There you- [crosstalk 00:07:04]
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:07:04]
Josh Emmett: [crosstalk 00:07:04].
Danny Lehr: No, it's true. That's the whole thing, it's like people are jealous of it a lot of times ... And don't get me wrong, it's great, I love it.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, of course.
Danny Lehr: Like I wouldn't trade it for anything, you know? I was a PE Teacher actually for eight years and then I stopped doing that when we got busy over here and stuff. But, I loved it. I loved every single day. I like this more. But you know what? The truth be told, day to day? The day to day of that was fucking great, you know what I mean? Like the day to day of that might be better. I spend more time staring at a computer screen now, then I'd ever planned on when I was a PE major.
Josh Emmett: That's true.
Danny Lehr: You know what I mean? However, the overall experience and the overall fun and the overall things you get to do, trump that. You ever think about that every now and then? Man, you know I could just go fucking punch a clock for eight hours?
Josh Emmett: Definitely. And that's always been my thing, even when I was fighting on the regional scene. You know, I'd been chasing this for such a long time I almost got in the UFC when I was 5-0. I almost got on the Ultimate Fighter and then it was always win one more fight, one more, one more. So my wife and I had talked, if I did not get in the UFC by the end of 2016, I was done fighting and I was gonna go contribute to society and get a regular job and do all this type of stuff.
And if I were to have lost a fight on the regional scene, I was done as well. Because I knew where I was at and I knew if I lost it would set me back and it would take me a least a good year or two to get back to just where I was. And nothing's promised. And with my age, which we're talking about, since I got into it late ...
That was my choice. But I didn't wanna have any regrets-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, absolutely.
Josh Emmett: ... And my wife is the biggest supporter. She's like, "You have to do this. You have to chase this." And here we are.
Dean Saddoris: Awesome.
Josh Emmett: So I'm super grateful-
Dean Saddoris: It's good to have a supportive wife, obviously. That's probably big on your success as well.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, big time. She's been there for everything and it hasn't been easy-
Dean Saddoris: Oh man.
Josh Emmett: ... And we're still not there yet, but we're getting closer and closer.
Danny Lehr: Any kids?
Josh Emmett: Not yet. We have a French Bulldog-
Danny Lehr: Smart, smart.
Josh Emmett: ... Which is a ... That's like our son.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: But we're the only ones out of our friends that don't have kids yet-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... And-
Dean Saddoris: I'm starting to get to that point too.
Danny Lehr: Is she pushing a little bit?
Josh Emmett: ... No, not at all. We see everything with our friends, we get to have a good time, play with the kids, but then we get to up and leave.
Danny Lehr: You're living the grandparent life.
Josh Emmett: And we have some godchildren and so there was a true eye-opening experience when my wife and I watched our best friend's kids over the weekend. And our godson and their daughter. So he's 10 months old, at the time.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: He was sick. Lily was five years old, and we had to do everything.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: So that was-
Dean Saddoris: That was full hands-on experience right there.
Danny Lehr: I have a five-year-old and a 10-month-old right now-
Josh Emmett: ... Okay.
Danny Lehr: ... So I understand the whole thing.
Josh Emmett: Same thing. Like I said, we get to feed him the bottle, we're not actually making it though, so we literally had to do everything. And then he was sick so he was up all night. We were tired, we didn't get any sleep. And then the next morning Lily pops up at like 7:00 in the morning, "Hi guys." And we're like "Oh, god."
Oh, it was tough. Two days and it was great, but then afterwards Vanessa and I looked at each other, and we're like-
Danny Lehr: Not yet.
Josh Emmett: ... "There's no way we could do this right now."
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, right now with the lifestyle that you guys have right now with the traveling.
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: There's a lot of traveling involved with your sport.
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: And just kind of that whole thing. A lot of hours away from home in the gym, doing this and that.
Josh Emmett: Yeah. And we don't have the luxury of ... A lot of our friends, they have their parents that are retired that can watch their kids?
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: We don't have that. Her parents live up in Amador, my mom works, so we would just have to do a day-care or somehow it'd be a big sacrifice for her to stop working for a good year or two or whatever it may be before we could put 'em into day-care. Yeah, we're just not ready yet. But in the next few years-
Danny Lehr: [crosstalk 00:10:55]
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:10:55]
Danny Lehr: Can't just put them in the crate like the-
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, no, I know.
Danny Lehr: ... Like the bulldog. Can, frowned upon.
Josh Emmett: Oh yeah.
Danny Lehr: End up on the news.
Dean Saddoris: So, right now your record is, correct me if I'm wrong. 13-1 professional record?
Josh Emmett: Yes.
Dean Saddoris: Awesome. So how many fights have you had in the UFC circuit?
Josh Emmett: I've had five fights in the UFC.
Dean Saddoris: Okay, cool. Very cool. And now what is your ranking in the UFC?
Josh Emmett: I'm ranked fourth in the featherweight division.
Dean Saddoris: Very cool. Awesome. So how does that ranking system play out? Who chooses who fights who?
Danny Lehr: Is it like WWE where there's writers in the back choosing who gets what fight? No, like honestly-
Dean Saddoris: It's probably not that far off.
Danny Lehr: ... I'm not joking.
Josh Emmett: No, no. It's just that there's so much politics involved, and there is in everything, and especially this as well. It all comes down to the matchmakers. Joe Silva, I mean he was the matchmaker at the time, but now it's Sean Shelby, Mick Maynard, and the boss, Dana White.
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: So whatever they kinda want.
Danny Lehr: You think that you might actually get a little favor with Dana, seeing that you guys have the same hairstyle now?
Josh Emmett: I know, I hope so, right?
Danny Lehr: He's gonna look at you, "Look at that handsome son of a bitch. We gotta get him."
Dean Saddoris: I trust this guy.
Danny Lehr: I don't know what it is, but I trust him.
Josh Emmett: That's funny. Yeah, hopefully. But as far as that goes, man, I made my featherweight debut in Poland in October. With my age, I wanna fight the best.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: Because my timeframe is so and my window is so limited.
Danny Lehr: Don't have time to fuck around.
Josh Emmett: It's either I'm the best or I'm not. Now or never. So I don't have the time to climb the ranks. So I beat a tough guy, and then I gotta short notice fight to fight Ricardo Lamas, he's-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that was what? Three, four weeks? How big was that?
Josh Emmett: ... Three weeks.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, I saw that I'm like, "Wait. Didn't he just fight?"
Josh Emmett: Yeah and I just fought in Poland six weeks prior to that, and then they were talking about me fighting in January in St. Louis or Boston. And Joe-
Dean Saddoris: Boston was last weekend?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, it was that-
Dean Saddoris: Well, since this is recording here.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, Francis Ngannou, Stipe fight.
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: So I was planning on fighting on that card. And then actually, Sean Shelby, since the whole thing was Lamas was gonna fight Jose Aldo. The winner of that was gonna fight the winner of Edgar-Holloway. Since Edgar got hurt, Aldo stepped up to fight Holloway, so Lamas was left without an opponent. And Sean Shelby went through and asked every single person in the top 15 if they wanted that fight, but nobody took it because Lamas is a dangerous fighter, and it was on a three-week notice, and he was training for one of the all-time greats in the featherweight division.
Danny Lehr: But you got goals?
Josh Emmett: But I was the only one that actually-
Danny Lehr: You got goals, you got things you're trying to do.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah. I wasn't ranked but I was the only unranked fighter's name that was thrown in the hat, because he felt that I could compete at the top, and ... So for me, it was great, you know what I mean? He felt confident in me, he wasn't trying to feed Lamas a fight by no means. And as soon as they asked me, man, I hopped all over. I was like, "I want that fight."
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that's awesome.
Danny Lehr: Who on your side, who makes that decision? Like obviously you have a giant say in it, but is there a coach? Is there-
Josh Emmett: I have managers.
Danny Lehr: ... The team, the manager? How big is their say in it? How big is yours? Is it like 75-25 decision? Or do you just kind of let them ... They do what's best for you, or are they just a figurehead and you really do what you want?
Josh Emmett: No, it really all comes down to me, 100%. It's my choice. I have managers and of course, I talk to my coaches.
Danny Lehr: They kind of advise you, but then you have the final-
Josh Emmett: Yeah, the final say in it. And they know me, I've never said no to a fight. Even when I'm injured, short-notice, whatever it may be, I always take it, even if they're advising me like, "Let's not take this. Blah, blah." I'm like, "I want that fight."
I knew at the time, I was super heavy. I'm always in good shape, but I was not in fight shape. My first words out of my mouth were, "Yes. I want that fight." And then I'll figure a way how to win-
Danny Lehr: And you said, "Yes I want that fight," and then you put on your shoes and went and ran.
Josh Emmett: ... Exactly. Yeah, you're dead-on that. I was like, "Shit, I gotta go to the gym and run."
Danny Lehr: Like now.
Josh Emmett: Oh, now.
Dean Saddoris: So in a perfect scenario with lots of basically preparation, what does your-
Danny Lehr: Well, how much-
Dean Saddoris: ... Strength-
Danny Lehr: ... How much preparation do you normally have prior to a fight first, I think?
Dean Saddoris: ... Yeah, okay.
Danny Lehr: Then we'll lead into that, you know?
Josh Emmett: Yeah, so for me, a lot of my fights in the UFC have been relatively short-notice. My debut, I got on a four-day notice.
Dean Saddoris: Geez.
Danny Lehr: That's short.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, super short. Because I wasn't in the UFC, someone got injured, I was one of the top lightweights in the world that ... Or prospects. So I was first on the list, they went to me, you have to say yes-
Dean Saddoris: Absolutely.
Josh Emmett: ... So I got this, I answered the call and they're like, "Do you wanna go to the Netherlands?" And I was like, "Yeah. When is this?" I had no idea that it was in four days, but I said of course. Didn't know who I was fighting-
Danny Lehr: You said "Yeah", and they said, "All right, Saturday. See ya."
Josh Emmett: ... And that's exactly how it went down. It was like Wednesday I got the call and then right before I hung up, I was like, "Wait. Who am I fighting?" And they told me Jon Tuck, and I was like "Oh, cool." I did not care who I fought-
Danny Lehr: Yeah, whatever.
Dean Saddoris: No, at that point-
Josh Emmett: ... I woulda fought a heavyweight just to get my foot in the door, not saying it woulda went well, but I would have. And then, yeah I hopped on the plane the next day, flew to Rotterdam. And beat a decorated guy that they love. They thought I was gonna lose. They wanted me to lose.
So I upset him and also set a record in my first fight. The worst hand injury in UFC history.
Dean Saddoris: Geez.
Josh Emmett: With a compound fracture, kept fighting, had to hide it from the ref, 'cause I knew they woulda stopped the fight.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, they woulda stopped it.
Danny Lehr: When did that happen?
Josh Emmett: It happened in the third round with like two minutes left.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Geez.
Danny Lehr: When you say kinda had to hide it from the ref a little bit, so it was visible outside the gloves?
Josh Emmett: Oh yeah, it was my-
Danny Lehr: It was your fingers?
Josh Emmett: ... My ring finger-
Dean Saddoris: Oh, god. I've seen pictures.
Josh Emmett: ... It was a compound fracture and it was literally hanging there by the flesh. It was just flopping around and the glove was stopping it-
Dean Saddoris: Thank you for sharing that all over your social media too, and gave me nightmares, that was the best.
Josh Emmett: ... Oh, you bet. And it was just the weirdest sensation. Every time he'd kick me I'd go to block it, and I would see sweat-
Danny Lehr: And the flopping.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, I would see sweat flying out of the corner of my eyes. So I just kept looking, 'cause I literally thought he kicked my finger off.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: Like it was the-
Danny Lehr: You thought the finger flew?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, I-
Danny Lehr: Wouldn't that have been awesome? If the finger had actually detached and like flew off?
Dean Saddoris: Uh, I don't know about awesome.
Josh Emmett: ... Maybe for everyone to see, not me.
Danny Lehr: Well, you thought it was happening?
Josh Emmett: Yeah, no I did. But, even a finger, I wasn't letting that stop-
Danny Lehr: No.
Josh Emmett: ... Stop me from winning my debut-
Danny Lehr: You got nine others.
Josh Emmett: ... And flying across the world.
Dean Saddoris: No, absolutely. That's awesome. I'm more impressed that you found a way to hide that.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. He just put it down his pants. [crosstalk 00:18:06].
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:18:06]
Josh Emmett: I just had to hide it behind my back. Like you can clearly see it in the fight, 'cause then he kicked me in the groin, and then the ref stopped it, and then he came up to me, I just put it behind my back, and he's like, "Are you okay?" I was like, "Yup." He's like, "You sure?" I'm like, "Let's go." 'Cause I just wanted to get right back in there, I didn't wanna let the pain set in anymore and-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, adrenalin's through the roof.
Josh Emmett: ... People talk about adrenalin and they're like, "Oh, you didn't feel that?" I said, "Oh, I felt that."
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:18:25]
Danny Lehr: [crosstalk 00:18:25]
Josh Emmett: Let me snap your finger in half and then let's see if you feel that.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: You know what I woulda done? I woulda just gone Al Bundy, I'd just go straight down the pants. [crosstalk 00:18:36]
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, there you go. At the front of the pants.
Danny Lehr: What's going on there? Oh, my nuts itch. Nothing to see, we got two minutes, let's go. Let's get this thing going. Let's finish this up.
Dean Saddoris: So if you have normal notice for a fight, as far as what's going down and this and that. What is your strength and conditioning regiment kind of entail? What does that look like for you?
Josh Emmett: Yeah, so for me, it seems like my whole MMA career has been about, I don't know, like a five to six-week camp. And that's ideal for me. I know a lot of fighters like eight to ten weeks out. I feel like, I don't know, not that I not overtrain, but I just, I push myself so hard for ... I think five, six weeks is perfect-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... You get the right time. If I do that for eight to ten weeks I feel like my body breaks down. That's when injuries happen, and all this other sorts of things. So as far as when I was fighting at lightweight, I was doing a lot of weight lifting and stuff. We do french contrast training and stuff like that. But now, since I dropped to 45s, I'm doing more endurance work, so I'm cycling more, I'm doing more swimming.
Danny Lehr: When you mention that french contrast training, what kind of like ... Brief overview on that?
Josh Emmett: So as far as that, from what my coach, Jay, would ... It was more like, we'd have four different segments and we'd go really heavy weight. So at first it would be like, say if we were doing, I don't know, say we were doing deadlifts or something.
Danny Lehr: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah
Josh Emmett: Or, cleans, whatever.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: One circuit would be really heavy weight, we'd try to move as fast as possible. Then I'd go right into a pylo of some sort, body weight. And then I would go into an assisted, say like ... We use the bands a lot-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... And it would help me get up, so I'd hold that. It'd be like assisted pushups, assisted pylo-jumps. And then I would go into more just like a lighter band, and just extremely fast for like, I don't know, seven to eight, 15 reps or something like that.
My understanding, we were just working on just being explosive-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... Moving heavy weight-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... I wasn't putting on mass, just because I wasn't-
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: ... Doing tons of reps, and-
Danny Lehr: With weight-class athletes it's different. Because you gotta be careful, you don't wanna put on a bunch of weight, you know what I mean?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, and I couldn't afford to do that.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: And so I felt great, I felt strong, explosive.
Danny Lehr: So now you do a lot more endurance type stuff?
Josh Emmett: Yeah. So more swimming, cycling. I do a lot of body weight stuff.
Danny Lehr: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: I still do heavy, heavy getups. Just to kind of shock your central nervous system. I do things to stay explosive. So we do a lot of pylos, heavy swings. And then we're doing a lot of interval work with assault bikes and stuff like-
Danny Lehr: So a lot of kettlebell stuff?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Yeah man, kettlebells are terrible.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, yeah, it is.
Danny Lehr: I think people overlook it a lot, you know what I mean?
Josh Emmett: [crosstalk 00:21:39]
Dean Saddoris: They only know about the swings, they don't know about all the other millions of things you can do with a kettlebell to just make yourself feel terrible.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, it's horrible. And the assault bike, man, that's [crosstalk 00:21:49]
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:21:49]
Danny Lehr: Oh, that thing is-
Josh Emmett: ... When he wants me to ... Oh man, that's horrible.
Danny Lehr: ... I've heard that. I've heard their name-
Dean Saddoris: Do you guys ever-
Danny Lehr: ... For that is the Devil's tricycle.
Josh Emmett: I like it-
Dean Saddoris: ... The Devil's tricycle.
Josh Emmett: ... I've never heard it, but I like it.
Dean Saddoris: You guys ever do any the skier or anything like that? You ever mess on one of those?
Josh Emmett: I really don't. We have one at the gym, but I haven't messed around with it.
Danny Lehr: [crosstalk 00:22:06]
Dean Saddoris: Those are strange. It's a very weird ... Like you're tired, but you can keep going.
Danny Lehr: Actually, A-Aron fucks with the skiers quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Do you?
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Because it's the easiest of the three, that's why you do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then you get this awkward tricep pump, and then-
Dean Saddoris: Ah, that's true.
Speaker 4: ... Especially the abs too. Like your abs are on fire.
Danny Lehr: I need to do one just for the dope tricep pump.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. You can't pass up a good opportunity for a dope tricep pump.
Danny Lehr: No, you're on the beach that day. You're gonna wanna hit the skier, you know what I mean? Abs, arms-
Dean Saddoris: Man, look at that guy's tris. He must have done some skier before he got here.
Danny Lehr: ... It looks like he got kicked by a horse.
Dean Saddoris: Well, very cool. Very cool.
Danny Lehr: So a lot of that, assault bike, we just call it the ass bike in my gym. Go hop on the ass bike, sure. So on the ass bike, and then ... So, you say endurance stuff, but is that a lot of intervals, or is that-
Josh Emmett: Well, I'd say for that-
Danny Lehr: ... A set distance?
Josh Emmett: ... For that, we do like intervals. But then my endurance stuff is the long swim workouts and the cycling and running, and stuff like that. But we-
Danny Lehr: ... So like long swim, about, what are we talking about?
Josh Emmett: ... I have a swim coach that I work for about an hour straight, and we do different types of-
Danny Lehr: An hour in the pool is a long time.
Dean Saddoris: Wow.
Josh Emmett: ... And it's-
Dean Saddoris: I do two lengths, I'm done.
Josh Emmett: ... He gets a lot of people ready for BUD/S and pararescue. So like combat swimming, teaches them the strokes and everything like that. So I've been working with him for over year.
Danny Lehr: I was gonna say, about a year ago you added that in?
Josh Emmett: Uh-huh (affirmative).
Danny Lehr: Who is your coach for that?
Josh Emmett: Scott Morris.
Danny Lehr: Okay.
Josh Emmett: He's over at the Swimstitute in Rancho Cordova.
Dean Saddoris: Okay, cool.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, but it's a cool pool. And I just pay the membership and man, he just-
Danny Lehr: Takes care of you.
Josh Emmett: ... He helps me out. And yeah-
Dean Saddoris: Very cool.
Josh Emmett: ... It's tough stuff. I think he's working on writing a book right now about that. It's so hard though, that's what I'm ... Like people that-
Danny Lehr: What brought you to swimming? Like who suggests that to you or is it just something you've always liked to do and you've always known was good work? Or is that a common thing for fighters to do a lot of swim workouts? Or what's the deal with it?
Josh Emmett: ... I wouldn't say common. Actually, one of my buddies, he was getting ready for BUD/S, and he was doing a lot of this training anyway, so I would go with him and try to do some of the things he was doing. And it was tough. So I just knew, I was like man, this is a great workout. It'd be great for fighting. This was a long time ago.
And then my jiu-jitsu coach, Felipe, his academy is actually right there by the Swimstitute, so that's kinda how I met my coach. 'Cause Felipe and Scott knew each other, and then when I was working out with him, he would come in and introduce himself, say hi here and there. And then he just said if you wanna come swim sometime, let me know and I took him up on his offer-
Danny Lehr: ... If you would ever like me to kick your ass-
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah-
Danny Lehr: ... For a change.
Josh Emmett: ... And man, it's yeah ... Every time I'm driving there, I'm like "Man, why am I doing this?" But as soon as I'm done-
Dean Saddoris: You feel like a million bucks.
Josh Emmett: ... I'm good, yeah. Afterwards, I'm happy and I know it's gonna translate into the fight. And there is no damn fight, I could fight a 50 man fight, it will not be as hard as that.
Danny Lehr: Oh yeah.
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:25:02]
Josh Emmett: As far as testing my lungs.
Dean Saddoris: ... That's always the goal of the training.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, as far as taxing my lungs, but-
Danny Lehr: Well, you gotta be ready, ready for that five rounder?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, yeah. And that's coming up. I've fought a five-round fight regionally, I've been ready for another one, but man, 15 minutes is a long time to fight someone-
Danny Lehr: No shit.
Josh Emmett: ... 25 minutes-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that's yeah, unbelievable.
Josh Emmett: ... It is a long time.
Danny Lehr: Six-minute wrestling match, I thought I was going down.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, and exactly.
Danny Lehr: You know what I mean? That's all I've got. Actually, I've got about 5:45. That guy makes it the last 15 seconds, I'm fucked.
Josh Emmett: Hand-to-hand-
Danny Lehr: It's pin or lose, that was it.
Josh Emmett: ... And college is, yeah seven-
Danny Lehr: Oh, you get that extra minute.
Josh Emmett: ... It's 3, 2, 2, and then-
Danny Lehr: Yeah, you get that extra minute.
Josh Emmett: ... And then you go into the overtime rounds. And I swear wrestling is-
Danny Lehr: Any of the riding times kinda fucks everything up to.
Josh Emmett: ... Yup. And so you know exactly how ... 'Cause people think, they're like, "Oh that's not that hard." Or, "How's he getting tired?" I'm like, "You know how tired you get in a six-minute match, imagine a 15-minute fight? A 25-minute fight? And you're doing everything and it's like ... " They couldn't even do it for 30 seconds, you know like-
Dean Saddoris: No.
Danny Lehr: That's why boxing blows my mind.
Josh Emmett: ... Oh yeah.
Danny Lehr: You go like 10 rounds.
Dean Saddoris: Well, your life's based around cardio when you're a boxer, right?
Josh Emmett: And-
Danny Lehr: Just skipping rope for like eight hours a day-
Dean Saddoris: And hitting the bag, yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... But even those guys, they're a different breed, because I go and spar pro-boxers at their gyms and man, they come in when they're out of shape and they can put in eight rounds. Out of shape, like this is my first time sparring-
Danny Lehr: ... Just kinda know how to play it, I guess?
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, 'cause that's what they've been doing their entire life. So it's like they're used to it, just like I feel like I could stay in a wrestling stance and do all that because maybe we're not ... Now, I am, but say someone coming into it that's new, maybe they're holding their breath, they're being tense, but they've done it their whole life so they just know how to relax, and not stall, but conserve their energy.
Danny Lehr: Well, I've described wrestling, and actually the weightlifting also, they have the similarities is that there's a, what do I call it? Basically, it's like a timed aggression, right? So it's like you're in a wrestling match, you're engaged and you're doing stuff, but you can work at like 70% certain times, right? And then it's like when it's time to go, it's time to go, right?
And so to someone who's new, or not used to doing it, they're like, ahh. Like gritting their teeth, fighting the whole way, when it's like no man like right now you're setting something up right? So when you're setting something up, you can be working at 70% and then you need to be able to flip that switch to a 100, right?
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Danny Lehr: It's like in weightlifting on a clean or a snatch, you're not ripping straight off the floor as hard as you can. 'Cause you're in a bad position, right? So it's like you go and then when the timing's right you turn it on. And so, in fighting it's a lot of the same type thing, right?
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: You're kinda either setting someone up or just kinda working position and then when it's time, it's time.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, exactly. And that's why I think a lot of interval work translates over so well to fighting. And something like crossfit workouts as well, just because you're getting into a scramble, or just an all out, 10 to 15-second brawl and then you can step back, bounce around, start using your feints and fakes to slow your heart rate down. And then when you wanna get right back in the mix, or you're in a scramble, it's the same thing. So it's just like stop and go, stop and go. But, yeah, and just having a poker face too.
Dean Saddoris: So at what point of a fight, if any point specifically, do you feel like you're at your most calm, collected, like ready to go? Are you like-
Danny Lehr: Oh, that's a good question.
Dean Saddoris: ... Do you like the very beginning? Or more towards the middle? The ends of the fights? If you could even think of one, and maybe you haven't really thought about it, I don't know? Does that ever cross your mind? Where do you feel like you're most confident in a fight, physically, mentally, just aware, established-
Danny Lehr: In the zone.
Dean Saddoris: ... Or does that go fight by fight? Does that change?
Josh Emmett: Well, it just depends as far as that ... I can answer it a few ways. When I fight, it's the weirdest thing, I'm not nervous at all. I've competed my whole life, I've wrestled at nationals in front of thousands of people. In my first amateur fight, I remember asking my coaches before I walked out, I was like, "Is it bad that I'm not nervous?" And they're like, "No, that's great. Not gonna be tougher than that." But as far as getting into the fight, I feel like the first round you're feeling each other out, that's when people are the most powerful and the bad things can happen. It can happen anytime in a fight, but I'm saying, they're stronger, you're more explosive, you're just fresh right then.
So usually, as the fight goes on, that's when we kinda just settle in and you're not really too worried about ... That you just kinda-
Danny Lehr: You're just [inaudible 00:29:30].
Josh Emmett: ... You're just flowing if that makes sense.
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: You know what I mean? You're just kinda flowing and you're just like-
Dean Saddoris: Here we are.
Josh Emmett: ... Stuck in that-
Danny Lehr: In the zone. Like a zone-state.
Josh Emmett: ... Exactly. So it's like-
Danny Lehr: You could be anywhere in the world, you wouldn't fucking know.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah.
Danny Lehr: You could be on the moon.
Josh Emmett: Exactly. And that's the thing about fighting, it's a crazy thing, but it's like that's the only ... When you're in the cage, I feel like free, there's no worries in the world. I'm not thinking about anything that's going on. If you're stressed, you're not while you're in there. It's just you and that person in front of you-
Danny Lehr: The building could be on fire, you wouldn't know.
Josh Emmett: ... Wouldn't care.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: I'd probably know, I wouldn't care though. But-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, yeah.
Danny Lehr: Oh, it's hot up there.
Josh Emmett: ... It's just crazy though, I can't really explain even what's going on. It's like I say we're like modern-day gladiators and it's the craziest thing when we're going to the arena in a van, and then we're in the room where like the gladiators were held, and then we're in the tunnel. It really does-
Dean Saddoris: It's gotta be a surreal feeling, absolutely.
Josh Emmett: ... Dude, it's crazy, and it does not sink in 'til I'm fighting, and I'm talking about until like I'm making the walk, 'til I'm in the cage. Literally when I've been traveling, and especially with the UFC because I'm fighting in different countries, so it feels like I'm on vacation-
Dean Saddoris: I'm almost getting the chills just thinking about that. That's crazy.
Josh Emmett: [crosstalk 00:30:38]
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:30:39]
Josh Emmett: ... All the people are just nuts and you know it. As bad as this is, these fans wanna see bad things-
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... They would love that. It's kinda sick, I always say I wanna win of course, but I don't wanna be injured, I don't want my opponent to be injured, I wanna go home to our family. But these people wanna see people like ... Bad-bad.
Dean Saddoris: Cold knockouts.
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Is it almost like you said, like feel like modern-day gladiators, almost like when you're going from the back through the tunnel, through the crowd, you almost feel like an animal.
Josh Emmett: It's nuts and it's-
Danny Lehr: Do you know what I mean? Is it kinda like that or have you heard people describe it that way? Maybe not, you know? But just kinda one of those things.
Josh Emmett: ... I just like look around. It depends too when I'm fighting in the states, fans are a lot different. Everyone's just super drunk and just-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... Saying like, kill 'em, this type of stuff. But when I've fought in different countries, they're super respectful, they're actually quiet, they're watching the fight. And then afterwards they're congratulating you. So it's totally different depending on where you're fighting.
Dean Saddoris: I could see that.
Josh Emmett: But it's just barbaric as hell.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: It's just nuts like I hate that.
Dean Saddoris: I feel like in these other countries, I mean, the relation with that could be that there's probably a lot more actual fighters and mixed martial artists in the arenas watching these fights overseas. 'Cause they don't have baseball, football, all these other sports that they're playing. A lot of these people are probably doing a lot of these things, of some level themselves. And they understand more maybe. They got a better understanding of these martial arts.
Danny Lehr: Do you think that's it? It's a better understanding of the fight game?
Josh Emmett: I don't know, it could be. And I always say they're like super fans. Because even in the states, you go somewhere to a fight, the first fight, the arena will be empty. A lot of people don't come 'til like the main event. When you go over there, the very first fight, completely sold out. And I think it's just more, maybe it is, they come from more of a truer form of martial arts, so they actually ... There's respect, there's honor, they're like ... I don't know it's just different. And here in the United States people just wanna see a bloodbath.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: You'll get knocked out and-
Danny Lehr: Well, I'm just gonna-
Josh Emmett: ... Tumble on the ground.
Danny Lehr: ... I'm just gonna come out with it. I'm guilty, the one time me and some buddies, it was a fight in Sacramento at ARCO Arena. And so we're getting hammered at dude's house before we go and then-
Dean Saddoris: I was there too.
Danny Lehr: ... Dude, make some jungle juice, you know what I mean, in the cooler. We got a ... This is illegal, whatever. We had a designated driver, 'cause one of the guys' wives was pregnant, so she drove while the rest of us are emptying the Igloo cooler in the back-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, road service.
Danny Lehr: ... The jungle juice. And then we get there, go into the arena, see the first fight. All of a sudden we all fucking pass, we all fall asleep.
Dean Saddoris: No shit.
Josh Emmett: Oh wow.
Danny Lehr: Because it's like from the very, very first fight to the main event, I mean, it's a couple hours-
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:33:22].
Danny Lehr: ... It's like a three, four-hour ordeal. I think it started at like 4:00 or something. Main event isn't 'til 8:30. Anyway, everyone's kind of sleeping, but then what happens, everyone kind of sobers up, wakes up, watch the last three fights.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: You know what I mean? It's one of those things looking back, you go yeah, that's-
Josh Emmett: But I was the same way.
Danny Lehr: ... That's an early 20s thing.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: It's just [crosstalk 00:33:41]
Dean Saddoris: [crosstalk 00:33:41]
Danny Lehr: [crosstalk 00:33:41].
Josh Emmett: Its just your excuse to party have a good time. It's like going to a game, it is what it ... I would do that all the time too, but then ... But now when I was fighting regionally and I would be the main event here all the time and that was ran late. I'd fight at like 10:00, 11:00. I fought at 12:00 one time.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: These guys are ... My friends and stuff, I could see 'em saying they're pre-gaming and they're ... And this is like 12:00 in the afternoon. I'm like, I'm not fighting for another-
Danny Lehr: 12 hours.
Josh Emmett: ... 12 hours.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: And I've seen it-
Danny Lehr: They'll wake up by then.
Josh Emmett: ... Time and time again, people would come in just so sloppy and they're like, "When are you gonna fight?" I'm like, "I just fought." You know what I mean? You missed it. It was kind of funny, but I know everyone's having a good time and I'm all for that.
Dean Saddoris: I've been to a-
Josh Emmett: It's awesome.
Dean Saddoris: ... Handful of fights out at McClellan, I'm sure you fought there.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, yeah.
Dean Saddoris: How many times do you think you fought there?
Josh Emmett: For west coast fighting, I was their champion, so that was my whole career. I probably had, I don't even know, five, six, maybe more?
Dean Saddoris: That's the same place we hold our-
Danny Lehr: So check this out-
Dean Saddoris: ... Invitational.
Danny Lehr: ... The very first-
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: ... The very first Caffeine and Kilos Invitational, which actually launched the company in 2013, was in the exact same building.
Dean Saddoris: No, no. No, that was the volleyball building. This one-
Danny Lehr: Oh, I thought it was the same one?
Dean Saddoris: ... No, this one's the building next to that.
Josh Emmett: That was the same, 'cause I've fought at the sports complex, and then you're talking about the conference center.
Danny Lehr: Right.
Josh Emmett: I've fought at both, 'cause it was the very first building.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, they had-
Danny Lehr: The conference center, the first year, the conference center wasn't there yet.
Dean Saddoris: ... Oh see, I didn't know that.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: Because the sports complex is even bigger.
Danny Lehr: They did it in the bottom.
Josh Emmett: Yeah. And oh yeah, I went to your guys' invitational.
Dean Saddoris: That's right.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: I think we had some people doing it.
Danny Lehr: That was it, that started the whole thing.
Josh Emmett: So that was 2013?
Danny Lehr: 2013.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. That was the launch. That was like the launch party slash event.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. So you mentioned that kind of that feeling in the ring, when you're in that zone state, or in that flow state and that whole thing. What drives you and I know that it could be a little more complex, may not be as simple. But what drives you to want to compete? Is it that feeling in the ring you will not be able to duplicate anywhere ever again? Or it would be very difficult to, right? You know what I'm saying? Is it that feeling in the ring that you know is so special? I mean, obviously the winning, driving to win, and the drive to be a champion and everything. But what is it that drives you to compete? Or to want to be the champion? What is it that drives you?
Josh Emmett: As far as what drives me is first and foremost is financial freedom. That's why I know ... I become the champion, I'll have that ... Just the lifestyle. I can do whatever I want. We'll have money so we can buy a house, start a family, do all the things that requires money. We won't have as much stress. But as far as like in the fight, and to be honest, in the fight, I'm not having a good time.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, it's work.
Josh Emmett: People think like, oh ... And I don't really tell people this much, but they'll be like, "Are you excited for your fight?" And I'm like, "Yeah." I just go with it, but no, I'm not. I'm not excited to go-
Dean Saddoris: It's a job.
Josh Emmett: ... Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not gonna fight someone, get punched, possibly hurt, and it's a dangerous, very dangerous hobby or profession, whatever you wanna call it. So I'm not having a good time in there, but winning is the highest high you can ever achieve or just experience, you know what I mean? And that's what I'm chasing, it's just the ...
It's weird too because it's like now that I'm fighting more ... This will be my third fight in four months. It almost becomes like-
Danny Lehr: February?
Josh Emmett: ... 24th.
Danny Lehr: 24th.
Josh Emmett: Yeah. It becomes like a ... It's almost like a drug, you know? Fighting it's like I wanna get back in there because I wanna ... Endgame, you're looking at your account and it just keeps going up and you want more, and more, and more.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: And that's what I'm chasing. And now that I'm getting so much closer to my ultimate goal, I really believe I'm one fight away from the title.
Danny Lehr: Who are you fighting February 24th?
Josh Emmett: Jeremy Stephens.
Danny Lehr: Guy's a bum.
Josh Emmett: I've been watching that guy forever, he's been in UFC for 11 years.
Dean Saddoris: Yup.
Josh Emmett: He has over 40 pro fights, 27 of those coming in the UFC, he fought the who's who at 55s, 45s. But you know he's never fought anyone like me so-
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... I'm gonna go take it to him-
Dean Saddoris: Hell yeah.
Josh Emmett: ... And even though I'm ranked above him, rankings mean absolutely nothing. And you guys know that-
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Absolutely.
Danny Lehr: Well, like you're saying, your first fight, you were unranked.
Josh Emmett: ... It' just a number. Yeah. And I came and I beat a guy, and then this last one, I was the biggest underdog, and that was one of the biggest upsets of 2017-
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Josh Emmett: ... And everyone is counting me out, except literally my coaches, family, and friends, you know?
Danny Lehr: Does being the underdog in a fight drive you at all? Or do you just not give a fuck?
Josh Emmett: Yeah, I really don't care.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Josh Emmett: I could care less. And even in college, I've upset like the number four ranked guy in the country and stuff like that. And anybody can lose on any given day. My thought process is, okay I'm gonna fight this guy that's ranked last in the division, well I'm gonna fight the very best person. No matter what, they're risky fights. They're the top guys in the world. Even a fight on the street, someone could just land a lucky punch and they could win. Nine times out of ten, that's not gonna happen, but-
Danny Lehr: But it happens.
Josh Emmett: ... It's a fight. Anything can happen.
Danny Lehr: I wanna hear just real quick kinda, or it doesn't have to be real quick necessarily. But just average day for you. Are you currently in a camp for that next fight?
Josh Emmett: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Like there are more people that are like you then you think.
Josh Emmett: I try to do ... Especially when we're traveling, and especially fight week and doing other stuff, I try to do a lot more, but otherwise I feel like it will be a lot of the same shit, just boring to people. That's why I don't do it. Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. Well, you know what's more entertaining to people though? Or what it would be more entertaining then? Is their own boring ass life. Everybody feels like they do the same thing every day, so it's like, "Oh, what does this guy do every day?" You know, even if that seems boring to you, it's boring to you 'cause you do it every day. However, these other guys, they got their own shit going on every day and so it's interesting to them.
Some dude's sitting in a fucking cube, filling out his TPS report, like he'd be fired up to see you suffering in the pool.
Josh Emmett: Making coffee.
Danny Lehr: Making coffee.
Josh Emmett: There's that idea of making coffee again.
Danny Lehr: U know, I also like coffee, yeah. Yup, so.
Dean Saddoris: Awesome man.
Danny Lehr: Awesome, yup. So guys check out Josh Emmett. Also, February 24th.
Josh Emmett: Yeah, I'm fighting UFC on Fox 28, the headliner, the main event on big Fox, so Fox 40-
Dean Saddoris: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Danny Lehr: So don't even have to pony up for it?
Josh Emmett: ... Nope, it's free TV. It'll be from 5:00 to 7:00 PM. I'll probably fight at 6:30-
Danny Lehr: Main event [crosstalk 00:40:31]
Dean Saddoris: Now, this is-
Josh Emmett: ... Pacific time.
Danny Lehr: ... That five rounder.
Dean Saddoris: ... This is Saturday?
Josh Emmett: Yeah, it's a Saturday-
Dean Saddoris: Okay. 'Cause sometimes they'll do those Sunday fights too and-
Josh Emmett: ... And then also coming up, I think the week before the fight, they just came out and filmed me doing Road to the Octagon-
Dean Saddoris: ... Oh, awesome.
Josh Emmett: ... And so that'll probably air the week before, and then during the fight week, and maybe right before the fight as well.
Dean Saddoris: Will that be on as Fox as well?
Josh Emmett: Fox 40 as well. It may be on ... I think the first one will be on Fox 40, and then the second time they just show reruns will be on FS1.
Dean Saddoris: Okay cool. Very cool.
Danny Lehr: So this is episode 13, however, if the weeks don't line up, we might actually release episode 13 before episode 11 or 12. That way we make sure to get this out before your fight.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, yeah. We should do that-
Danny Lehr: [crosstalk 00:41:10].
Dean Saddoris: ... We'll bump this one up.
Danny Lehr: So yeah, so whatever. This might go like 8, 9, 13, 10, 11, 12. But you know what? Fuck it.
Josh Emmett: So this is technically number 10.
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. This is number 10.
Danny Lehr: Absolutely. So cool. All right Josh, thanks for stopping by. Much appreciated.
Josh Emmett: Cool.
Danny Lehr: And-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, thank you.
Danny Lehr: ... Yup. Guys check us out if you have any questions for Josh, we can be in communication with him on the YouTube you can make a comment, or email us, podcast at caffeine and kilos dot com. Let us know what you think. If you have questions for him, we can kinda pass those along maybe.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, hit him up on his Instagram. Send him a DM, he might get back to you.
Danny Lehr: Yup. There we go. Also, let us know what you thought of having a guest. Little different. You guys might have actually learned something today.
Josh Emmett: Doubt it.
Danny Lehr: So, how was that? Did you like having a guest? Did you not like that? Kind of let us know what's going on.
Dean Saddoris: Right on.
Danny Lehr: All right. Thanks a lot.
Josh Emmett: Thanks guys
Dean Saddoris: See you guys. Thank you.