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Danny Lehr: So, anyway, one day I miss this weight, and he's like, "Hey, next Friday, you come in here. I don't give a shit what it takes. I don't care. Caffeine up, get it fuckin' goin', slap yourself, stab somebody on the way in, I don't care what it takes-"
Dean Saddoris: Beat off on the subway.
Danny Lehr: "Beat off ... Pull it out on the drive." You know what I mean. Whatever it takes. In the car.
Dean Saddoris: Whatever gets you fired up.
Danny Lehr: Welcome to Gas Station Cappuccino by Caffeine and Kilos. I am Danny Lehr, here with Dean Saddoris.
Dean Saddoris: Here we are, episode three.
Danny Lehr: Here we go. Dean, what are you sipping on there?
Dean Saddoris: I actually just made an office batch of the infamous, brand new yet already world famous, holiday blend by Caffeine and Kilos.
Danny Lehr: When you started with "infamous," I was kinda wondering where you were going, and then you just kept going.
Dean Saddoris: You name it, it's this.
Danny Lehr: Don't have to name it.
Dean Saddoris: It's delicious.
Danny Lehr: Don't have to name it. You did.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. It's very good.
Danny Lehr: What do you get there? Get a little-
Dean Saddoris: At the beginning? Of the flavor? The flavor cave? Flavor Town?
Danny Lehr: Flavor Town? "Kyle, hop on the ... a first-class ticket-"
Dean Saddoris: To Flavor Town?
Danny Lehr: "... Flavor Town, USA, coming in!"
Dean Saddoris: Apparently, I cut my finger really deep on something.
Danny Lehr: The rail, when you were boarding the train.
Dean Saddoris: To Flavor Town?
Danny Lehr: To Flavor Town, yeah. You gotta be careful.
Dean Saddoris: I think this just happened when I pulled out my pocket knife a second ago. It just totally shaved my-
Danny Lehr: They allow pocket knives on the train. So, there's not TSA before boarding the train.
Dean Saddoris: Speaking of pocket knives ... You know, this is, like, man talk. This is a man show, man talk, sometimes.
Danny Lehr: Man talk?
Dean Saddoris: So, if you are in the market for-
Danny Lehr: Although, if you're a female, feel free to listen. I don't want you to feel excluded.
Dean Saddoris: No, yeah, for sure. If you're in the market for a new pocket knife, don't go cheap. You have to spend, and if you go with a Benchmade pocket knife-
Danny Lehr: Do it.
Dean Saddoris: ... You are gonna spend a few hundred dollars, but it's guaranteed for life. I just got this-
Danny Lehr: Are they?
Dean Saddoris: ... I just got this back from Benchmade. They did a full-on hardware replacement-
Danny Lehr: Really? What was wrong with it?
Dean Saddoris: ... sharpened the blade. Well, you can just send it in whenever you want, and they'll do it.
Danny Lehr: "Hey, tune it up."
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, exactly. They did a full-on hardware replacement, and they resharpened the blade. I did tip the end of it pretty severely, actually, but they got it almost back to factory shape here.
Danny Lehr: They said, "Doesn't even matter that you've been using this thing as a screwdriver. We'll sharpen this up for you anyway."
Dean Saddoris: They'll fix it. You know, and it took a couple weeks, and now it's back, and now it's better than ever.
Danny Lehr: There are some things in life that just ... Once you've had a nicer one, there's no going back.
Dean Saddoris: And it's so sharp. I literally sliced my finger off cutting onions for a nice steak stew, and now I'm just like, chop the tip of my finger off. I didn't even realize.
Danny Lehr: Well, it's like the whole thing though that a sharper blade is safer than a dull one cause you don't have to push as hard, you know?
Dean Saddoris: That's true.
Danny Lehr: My wife one time cut her finger pretty deep. She was cutting an avocado, and she'd been watching the cooking channel.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, no, God, that visual.
Danny Lehr: She's watching the cooking channel. So, she did the whole thing where they go to stab the seed. But she didn't do the one where you take the side of it and slap it into it. She went to stab the seed, and it slid off the side because the knife wasn't that sharp. So, instead of going in, it kinda slid off, straight through the soft avocado, into her hand.
Dean Saddoris: That is terrifying.
Danny Lehr: Immediately, it happened, and she said, "I'm an idiot." It's one of those things where, as soon as it happens, you just go-
Dean Saddoris: "There's no way I could possibly miss or glance off of this rounded-shaped object."
Danny Lehr: Slimy, rounded, slimy object.
Dean Saddoris: Slimy, rounded, very hard.
Danny Lehr: Emeril Lagasse does it, or whatever, on the ... that Gianno, what's that girl with the giant man hands? You know what I'm talking about, the Italian cooking show?
Dean Saddoris: Oh yeah, Man Hands.
Danny Lehr: Man Hands. Yeah, absolutely, I can't watch her cause of those giant, giant hands.
Dean Saddoris: I heard she just cracks lobster bare hands, doesn't even use a [crosstalk 00:04:07].
Danny Lehr: You know who you heard that from? It was me. I saw it, it's on her show.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, there you go. I knew it was somebody I knew.
Danny Lehr: Gianna something. If you remember her name, email us, email@example.com. Man Hands Italian Lady on the cooking channel.
Dean Saddoris: We're gonna have the most random answers to questions that we've forgotten.
Danny Lehr: I wanna know! Wanna know. We don't have Alexa in here, so we have to-
Dean Saddoris: Make sure to include the question with the answer.
Danny Lehr: So, what we're gonna get into today, we're gonna get into a little bit of kinda routine stuff, maybe some pre/post workout, some pre/post competition perhaps, is what I was thinking. But before that, tomorrow ... It'll be in the past by the time this goes live. But tomorrow's actually-
Dean Saddoris: December 14th.
Danny Lehr: ... Dean-o's birthday.
Dean Saddoris: It is my birthday.
Danny Lehr: Turning 29.
Dean Saddoris: Turning 26.
Danny Lehr: You keep saying that.
Dean Saddoris: Forever.
Danny Lehr: So, I got him something, and he actually has no idea what this is. He's going to open it here-
Dean Saddoris: Live on air.
Danny Lehr: ... live on air. I heard it's good radio to do visual stuff.
Dean Saddoris: It is. That's when you know you're doing the complete opposite job of what you're supposed to be doing. Good thing we do this YouTube, as well.
Danny Lehr: Well, pop it open. Well, first, you wanna describe to people what you're looking at there?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, right here I'm looking at a festive bag. It could be a Christmas bag. It could also be a birthday bag. I think those aren't balloons, those are actually ornaments. So, this is actually a full-on Christmas bag.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, those are ornaments.
Dean Saddoris: And it does say "'Tis the Season."
Danny Lehr: Yeah, I didn't get you-
Dean Saddoris: That might've been the giveaway.
Danny Lehr: It does say "'Tis the Season," there's the apostrophe before the T on Tis.
Dean Saddoris: And this is absolutely a 100% re-gifted bag-
Danny Lehr: Yeah, I had to rip off the label.
Dean Saddoris: ... cause there's something missing here. Where it said, "To Danny Lehr, From Jess."
Danny Lehr: Yeah, something like that. Actually, I think it was from my aunt Joyce. But the point is ... Aunt Joyce, she was the aunt who gave everybody pencils for Christmas every year.
Dean Saddoris: See, I'd love that cause I love pencils.
Danny Lehr: It has your name on it. But the thing is, how many pencils do you need with your name on them? Do you really need a fresh 48-pack every year? Like, Aunt Joyce, how about this year, a toy? Eh, pencils.
Dean Saddoris: I'm like Fat Joe with Air Force Ones. I wear them once and throw them out. So, the pencil, use it once, you toss it. One day.
Danny Lehr: Well, you sharpen it once, and then it starts to go dull. If I sharpen it again, it's gonna be too short. You bang it out. It's good for one sharpen.
Dean Saddoris: Let's not forget, though, back in middle school, maybe even elementary school-
Danny Lehr: The pencil with your name on it means you're King Shit.
Dean Saddoris: No, having the pencil that was super short, like three-inch pencil, was kinda cool.
Danny Lehr: That was a thing.
Dean Saddoris: Aaron knows what I'm talking about. That was a total thing. Like, "Ah, dude, look at Jimmy. Look how tiny Jimmy's pencil is. Look at that. That's sick."
Danny Lehr: "That guy must never fuckin' make mistakes. It's still got an eraser."
Dean Saddoris: "Dude, his eraser's gone."
Danny Lehr: "How's he still have an eraser on that short-ass pencil?"
Dean Saddoris: "Dude's a G."
Danny Lehr: You know what it is? It's still the fact is like, some stuff that makes someone look cool, it's something that makes you look like you don't care, is where it's at sometimes.
Dean Saddoris: Oh yeah, like, I don't even care.
Danny Lehr: No, this guy doesn't give a shit. Look at that.
Dean Saddoris: Not even trippin'.
Danny Lehr: Dude, he's down with that two-inch pencil. You know what I mean?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: I actually had a few girls say that to me in high school.
Dean Saddoris: Knew that was coming. All right, let's open up.
Danny Lehr: Open it up.
Dean Saddoris: So, we've got a-
Danny Lehr: Oh, there's no card.
Dean Saddoris: No card.
Danny Lehr: There's no card.
Dean Saddoris: We do have a green paper, like a neon green.
Danny Lehr: I tried to match the bag, but not a lot of success there.
Dean Saddoris: It kinda matches the ornaments.
Danny Lehr: Shades. Ornaments, yeah.
Dean Saddoris: Okay, first initial view here, it says, "Game used, MLB authentic," box.
Danny Lehr: Show everyone listening to the podcast, hold it in front of the mic.
Dean Saddoris: Showing it in front of the microphone. Can you hear this box? So, I'm gonna open it here. It's got a picture of the standard Major League Baseball logo here.
Danny Lehr: I don't understand why I'm nervous.
Dean Saddoris: Why are you so nervous?
Danny Lehr: I'm excited.
Dean Saddoris: Opening here, opening the little paper. Oh! It says Yankees, a beautiful leather Yankees wallet.
Danny Lehr: Well, now, continue to open.
Dean Saddoris: Continue to open. Tokens and icons. Now, we got this card here, and on the inside it says, "This is a major league authenticated game-used uniform." So, this wallet was made out of the uniform?
Danny Lehr: Open up a little more.
Dean Saddoris: Open up a little bit more. Oh, shit. It has, like, dirt on it.
Danny Lehr: It's legit.
Dean Saddoris: What the fuck?
Danny Lehr: I didn't even scuff it up. It came that way.
Dean Saddoris: Well, yeah, I would hope so. Hopefully this wasn't somebody's butt.
Danny Lehr: That's the tail.
Dean Saddoris: It might be a streak mark.
Danny Lehr: Maybe that's the tail of the jersey, and it was tucked in with the jock strap.
Dean Saddoris: Dude, that is crazy. This is fuckin' awesome.
Danny Lehr: So, it's a wallet-
Dean Saddoris: Honestly, at first, I thought like maybe it was from a leather belt, but I'm like, that's a lot of belts.
Danny Lehr: That's a lot of belt. That must be ... Wait, Pablo Sandoval didn't play for the Yankees, who could've worn that belt?
Dean Saddoris: This is a brilliant idea. This is fuckin' ... This is great.
Danny Lehr: It's a wallet, but in the bill fold part, the little separator in the bill fold section of the wallet-
Dean Saddoris: What do you use this for? Do you go, like-
Danny Lehr: Like, you keep receipts in front, cash in back, you know what I mean?
Dean Saddoris: I never knew what to do with that. I always kinda just put maybe, like, big bills that I don't wanna be seen like in the public, like I don't want anybody seeing my hundreds, or my fives.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, my fives.
Dean Saddoris: My one hundred that never leaves my wallet.
Danny Lehr: So, the separator is a Yankees jersey, it's actually-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, the pinstripe uniform.
Danny Lehr: ... game-used uniform. Then, it's got little holograms showing it's legit. And then, the best part is that ... I was looking at it. The uniform is actually scuffed up. There's some poo on it.
Dean Saddoris: It does have a little bit of dirt on it. It's legit from somebody's uniform that was cut up. That is awesome. That is a great gift. Thank you very much, Dan.
Danny Lehr: Now, here's the thing, you may not want to. I kinda want you to use it.
Dean Saddoris: Well, I don't know if I wanna use it.
Danny Lehr: I knew you wouldn't. I saw it, and I was like, I don't think he's gonna wanna use it because this thing ... But check it out.
Dean Saddoris: Because it's too special to use. I don't wanna get, like, ink or something on it.
Danny Lehr: If you put it on a shelf or something, no one's ever gonna know there's a jersey in there.
Dean Saddoris: But I will. I don't care about what anyone else thinks. Man, that's tough. I'll think about it.
Danny Lehr: I kinda want you to use it.
Dean Saddoris: I'm gonna think about it.
Danny Lehr: Unless you like your current wallet you use now better. You know what I mean, if you really like your current wallet, keep your current wallet.
Dean Saddoris: I don't think that's the case. A wallet's a wallet, you know?
Danny Lehr: Yeah.
Dean Saddoris: But this is a special wallet in a way that, I don't know if I wanna use it because of the uniform inside. Like, that's really cool. This is fantastic.
Danny Lehr: But it's kinda one of those things that you're like, so what, it's just gonna sit somewhere on a shelf? Like, what is that really, you know what I mean?
Dean Saddoris: I might put it on display in my office, maybe.
Danny Lehr: But don't be afraid to use it.
Dean Saddoris: I'll probably end up using it actually. Dude, thank you very much. This is very awesome.
Danny Lehr: Yes.
Dean Saddoris: It's a very unique thing. That's actually a brilliant idea.
Danny Lehr: Best gift I've ever given.
Dean Saddoris: It's a really good gift. This is a very good gift. If anybody doesn't know, I'm a diehard Yankees fan.
Danny Lehr: And if anybody doesn't know, I'm terrible at fuckin' giving gifts.
Dean Saddoris: I wouldn't say that. I've gotten pretty good gifts from you. Thank you very much, Danny.
Danny Lehr: Here we go, now that everyone's been subjected to 10 minutes of our personal lives. Okay. I thought it was good though, I thought it was an interesting thing.
Dean Saddoris: I'm very thankful, and I'm very impressed. That was a cool gift. Thank you.
Danny Lehr: All right. You're welcome. So, now, moving on past that, now that we got that out of the way. Let's actually ... You wanna talk workouts or competition first? Cause one will probably make it in the next episode, and one we'll do today.
Dean Saddoris: I wanna go pre-workouts.
Danny Lehr: Workouts, not competition. Workouts.
Dean Saddoris: No. Do competitions next time, or whenever, second.
Danny Lehr: What time do you prefer to train?
Dean Saddoris: Okay. So, ideally, in a perfect world, if I could train whenever I wanted, I would probably say, like, a noon session.
Danny Lehr: Nooner.
Dean Saddoris: If I could choose any time because you've already-
Danny Lehr: I've always been a big fan of the nooner myself.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, can't beat a good nooner.
Danny Lehr: Power lunch.
Dean Saddoris: Power lunch. Yeah, so, I mean, you get a good breakfast in. Your day's already in full swing. This is like, you know, I'm training full time kind of mindset here. Plenty of time to recover before and after.
Danny Lehr: The breakfast digested.
Dean Saddoris: The breakfast is digested. You probably already had also some kind of snack, maybe some kind of carb snack for pre-train, or whatever your regiment kind of is. Then, obviously the ideal time to recover afterwards, you've got the rest of the night to get work done. Places are still open, you know what I mean? It's not too early where you got a whole other-
Danny Lehr: Still make it out for the rub and tug.
Dean Saddoris: Obviously, if you're training at that time of the day, you can wake up early enough and get enough sleep to where you can get a lot done before then.
Danny Lehr: Also, train too late at night, sometimes you struggle to sleep, have problems falling asleep.
Dean Saddoris: I honestly deal with that every night because I can't train until about 5:30 or 6:30 every night. That's about when I go to the gym.
Danny Lehr: Right. So, you're not done till 7:30, 8:00.
Dean Saddoris: Exactly. And I don't go to bed until maybe 11:30 or 12:00, just because my body's just completely wired.
Danny Lehr: My worst night of sleep is Friday nights. I haven't gone recently, but when I was always going out to Cal Strength for Max Out Fridays, you get all fired up, plus it's like Max Out Friday, so you really get it going with the caffeine and everything.
Dean Saddoris: You're hitting the salts, you're hitting the caffeine.
Danny Lehr: Getting all jacked up. But you think, I have almost an hour drive home. Over that hour drive, you chill out. And I do, I feel calmer after the hour drive home-
Dean Saddoris: But you're very alert and aware.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, like it's an internal thing. I just lay there in bed, staring at the ceiling, contemplating, "Maybe the two cups of coffee between snatch, and clean, and jerk, maybe I should've done one."
Dean Saddoris: And in the moment, you're gonna ... Even if you're like, before you get there, like, "I'm not gonna drink coffee tonight. I'm just gonna tough it out."
Danny Lehr: In the moment, one thing matters, and that's making that damn lift. You know what I mean? I remember-
Dean Saddoris: Where's the Nose Tork? Where's the caffeine pills?
Danny Lehr: Oh, love tork.
Dean Saddoris: Where's the coffee? Where's the white Monster?
Danny Lehr: It was even after my shoulder surgery, I'm only doing squats for a while, while I recovered. Dave Spitz had me on this squat program. Totally worked, I've hit all-time PRs I haven't even touched since then on this, you know? It was funny, at one point, I hit this plateau. I just could not get over this little hump, for whatever reason. My squats were fine. I was getting stronger. I was hitting more reps at lower weights. He would say, "A one-rep max squat is a skillset."
So anyway, one day, I missed this weight, and he's like, "Hey, next Friday, you come in here. I don't give a shit what it takes. I don't care. Caffeine up, get it fuckin' goin', slap yourself, stab somebody on the way in, I don't care what it takes-"
Dean Saddoris: Beat off on the subway.
Danny Lehr: "Beat off ... Pull it out on the drive." You know what I mean. Whatever it takes. In the car.
Dean Saddoris: Whatever gets you fired up.
Danny Lehr: He's like, "I do not care what it takes. You need to get fired up next week, and we're gonna make this fucking lift."
Dean Saddoris: All right.
Danny Lehr: I'm like, "All right, man. Here we go." So, you're drinking coffee and taking caffeine pills, and just wondering. Then, you do the squat, and there's, like, a little pimple on my forehead starts bleeding, like it busted open. Blood pressure's a little high, probably.
Dean Saddoris: Hyperventilating.
Danny Lehr: Eyes just bloodshot, blown it out, holy smokes. But it's true, in the moment, it's like the only thing that matters.
Dean Saddoris: Doesn't matter.
Danny Lehr: There's one thing in life that matters, and that is this lift.
Dean Saddoris: Exactly. Nothing else matters now.
Danny Lehr: Which is why exercise and training actually is a stress relief. It seems counter-intuitive a little bit-
Dean Saddoris: Cause all the physical stress you're going under.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, doing something so strenuous, but it's like, the mental stress is just ... It's a huge stress relief because of that. So, that's interesting that the noon time ... I've really kinda grown to like a 3:00 PM, you know? Kinda the same-
Dean Saddoris: Get a lunch in also.
Danny Lehr: Get a lunch in also. Get a couple meals in. You get your breakfast. You get your power lunch in, you know what I mean?
Dean Saddoris: You get a lot more done.
Danny Lehr: You get some more done. After a really hard training session, there's not ... You know, if you need to get some body work or something like that done, or a good recovery meal. I feel like that 3:00 PM, you get your breakfast in, you could even have a little cup of coffee in the morning, but you don't wanna drink too much. You wanna save most of that caffeine right before you train. Then, right around that 2:00 PM, you kinda have ... That's when you kinda start caffeinating up, maybe a little pre snack, if that's what you're doing, getting ready to go so 3:00, fuckin' ready to hit it. Then, you're done, it's 5:00. Go eat dinner, you know what I mean? Then, you kinda got the evening to actually chill and relax. You're not trying to finish up some stuff.
Dean Saddoris: I could definitely agree with you on that actually probably being better than 12:00, now that I think about it. It probably would be better.
Danny Lehr: Welcome. Welcome to the other side of the tracks.
Dean Saddoris: Obviously, like I said before, we're really talking about somebody training full time. Your day revolves around your training, and you're not training twice a day. For once-a-day-style training, that's probably ideal. And if you're able to get in, like, a two-and-a-half-hour session because you're developing your whole day and your whole time around that, that'd be a good time to get that done.
Danny Lehr: Had to pick, morning or night, what do you do?
Dean Saddoris: Like, what time in the morning are we talking? Like, before 12?
Danny Lehr: 6:00 AM.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, God, night time.
Danny Lehr: Really?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. I'm just like, in the morning ... I'm not, like, not a morning person, it's more just the fact that I don't-
Danny Lehr: It's okay if you're not a morning person.
Dean Saddoris: No, I just don't feel like I am physically ready to do anything that early in the morning.
Danny Lehr: Not really a morning person.
Dean Saddoris: Well no, I like doing, like, work, and being out, and going running errands in the morning, like all that stuff's fine. But as far as working out, not really my thing.
Danny Lehr: Nothing is better, nothing is nicer, than a nice morning walk.
Dean Saddoris: See, I can get into that. But we're talking weightlifting. I don't wanna start off my day maxing out triples off-the-blocks cleans, and then having 12 hours of shit to do after that.
Danny Lehr: It's awful.
Dean Saddoris: I'm good.
Danny Lehr: That's another thing about why the 3:00 PM, or even noon's okay, but 3:00's a little better in my opinion, is because part of it is ... if it's before that, like even a 9:00 AM session, like ... Even if you get up early, how much have you really done before then? So, you're just kinda tight. By the time 3:00 rolls around, your muscles are warm, you've kind of ... Even if you haven't done a full warm-up, you've sat down and stood up a few times, you've walked around a little, just getting warm. Warming up is the worst. Warming up is awful. Like, trying to convince your body, go from that resting recovery state into a moving state.
Dean Saddoris: I need a whole ... Me personally, I'm most confident going into a training session knowing that I've had plenty of liquids and plenty of food to do the best I can that day. So, whatever time that is where I have all those things in my head where I feel like I'm ready to go, that's important to me, personally. I like training later at night more recently now because I know I've probably had close to a gallon of water, I've had at least two solid meals, maybe two solid meals and a snack, I'm gonna have a good big dinner afterwards. I feel like I should have no reason to not perform today. I wake up at 6:00 AM, I've had a little bit of breakfast, I haven't had really much to drink yet, I just feel skinny, I don't feel as strong.
Danny Lehr: And you're not a morning person, so.
Dean Saddoris: Apparently not.
Danny Lehr: Here's another thing too is that, I actually really like ... And this isn't a part of my life right now, but I really like a pre-workout nap.
Dean Saddoris: Really? See, I hate that.
Danny Lehr: Like, not a long one, 20 minutes.
Dean Saddoris: I feel like I suck when I do that.
Danny Lehr: Say I'm training at 3:00, if at 1:00, 1:30 maybe, 1:30 to 2:00, lay down, just close your eyes, like 20 minutes. Boom, then you're up, you know what I mean? Or even, maybe even right around 2:00, like 1:45 till 2:15, lay down, then open up. Boom, up, 2:15, all right, here we go, drink some coffee, start moving around a little, really get the warm-up going, like, 2:45.
And I think part of that stems from actually competing. I know we're gonna talk pre-competition another day. It's like, when you're traveling to compete, say national championships, something like that, it's like, if you're lifting whatever time your session is, if it's not first thing in the morning ... You get up that day, you gotta make weight later, so you're really trying to stay off your feet. You're just kinda bumming around. And then after you weigh in, if you're staying in the meet hotel, you weigh in, you go back up to your room, lay down for 20, 30 minutes-
Dean Saddoris: Get some food in you, get some liquids, maybe take a little power nap.
Danny Lehr: Eat a little, liquids, lay down 20, 30 minutes, get up, singlet on, get it going. Another thing, I'd go out to Cal Strength sometimes, training's at 5:00, get out there at 3:30, lay on the couch till 4:00, 4:15, get up, kinda get it goin'. Do you like to take naps pre-workout, pre-competition? Email firstname.lastname@example.org.
Dean Saddoris: I think Ben does that a lot, Ben Claridad. I think he's mentioned that to me before, if he's really focusing on training and getting ready for a big meet, like an AO or a nationals, or something like that, he tends to take like ... After he does his coaching, I think his last actual class before the afternoon class might be a 12:00, or something like that. So, he goes home, kinda like does his thing-
Danny Lehr: Eats a little.
Dean Saddoris: ... eats a little, takes a little nap, comes back by, like, 3:30.
Danny Lehr: I think it's a mental thing more than anything, more than just getting off your feet and resting your body. It gives you a chance to kinda reset, you know what I mean? You reset the day.
Dean Saddoris: Well, I mean, if you have the opportunity ... Obviously, he's got early classes, you know, a 5:30 or 6:00 class that he's coaching. So, he's up early. If you have the opportunity to take a power nap, it's definitely something you should do. It's only gonna make you feel better.
Danny Lehr: Get it in.
Dean Saddoris: If you're taking a power nap, and you're coming back and working harder than you would if you were just tired from the whole day, that's gonna benefit everybody. It's gonna benefit your clients, it's gonna benefit you, everybody's gonna be happier.
Danny Lehr: So, what about ... So, when you train, post workout. What's the Dean Saddoris routine?
Dean Saddoris: Post workout. Man, when I'm-
Danny Lehr: Just finished leaving the gym after leaving the bar out on the platform with all the weights still on it.
Dean Saddoris: Just leave my bar for someone else to clean up?
Danny Lehr: Yeah, not your problem.
Dean Saddoris: There's a lot of female athletes at our gym on the weightlifting team, so I just make them do all the cleaning.
Danny Lehr: Well, they like it.
Dean Saddoris: Totally kidding, obviously. We do have a lot of girls on our team that are very talented. It's actually really cool to see. It's funny how you can be motivated by anybody, no matter what's on the bar, or who's lifting, you can get fired up from anybody lifting, as long as they're trying their hardest. It's awesome.
Danny Lehr: World's just on, a week or two ago, and my daughter really likes watching weightlifting cause to her, it's a normal thing for weightlifting to be on the TV. I put on, every time there's nationals or AO, or whatever, it's on, right? So, three, four times a year, between world championships, Pan-Ams, it's on TV. I'm like, "Maddie, there's some weightlifting." She's like, "Oh, good, put it on the TV." Like, she wants to watch it. And she'll sit in front of the TV and watch it. So, I really like it, especially the female sessions. I really make sure to point, "Hey Maddie, let's come watch," or whatever, and she'll watch it. The whole thing of like ... There was a blonde girl, actually it was Lydia, and I'm like, "Maddie, look, she has blonde hair just like you. Look, you can be strong and feminine."
Dean Saddoris: Well, she's already strong and feminine.
Danny Lehr: Maddie?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah.
Danny Lehr: Well, she's strong.
Dean Saddoris: She's pretty girly.
Danny Lehr: Like, long hair, you mean? No, she is. But anyway, it's funny, cause Lydia has Hello Kitty on her belt. But that's an extreme, obviously. But that whole thing, like, "Oh, look at her! Oh, wow, look, she's pretty. Look how strong she is. Man, bet she's smart, too." You know? But it's true, just that positive reinforcement. Like, look, this is something girls can do, and look how strong she is, and that's great. Anyway, that's a little aside there.
So, you leave the gym, you left all your plates on the bar. You leave the gym.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, I leave, I take off my thumb tape, throw it on the floor.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, you say something ... mumble something-
Dean Saddoris: Right next to the trash can.
Danny Lehr: ... yeah, next to the-
Dean Saddoris: Leave my water bottle out.
Danny Lehr: Or you kinda toss it towards the trash can, and when it bounces off the side, you just shine it on.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, you just kinda shake your head like, "Maybe tomorrow, I'll make it. Maybe I'll make it tomorrow."
Danny Lehr: "Oh, that was close."
Dean Saddoris: "Almost had that one."
Danny Lehr: And then you say, I believe usually mumble the words, "I quit this bitch."
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. "I'm done."
Danny Lehr: "I'm done."
Dean Saddoris: "I'm so sick of this sport. I hate this."
Danny Lehr: "This place fuckin' sucks."
Dean Saddoris: "This place fuckin' sucks. I fuckin' hate weightlifting."
Danny Lehr: And then Ben goes, "Bye, Dean-o!"
Dean Saddoris: "I'll see you tomorrow." That's right. "Bye, Dean-o," like the USPS lady?
Danny Lehr: Yeah, he goes, "Bye, Dean-o-"
Dean Saddoris: I love how she just defaults-
Danny Lehr: ... and you go, "Bye, Ben, thanks for everything," and you close the door, and he's like, "Scum-sucking son of a bitch."
Dean Saddoris: "Son of a bitch makes a mess in here."
Danny Lehr: "I hope you crash on the way home. I hope you drive off a cliff. Sets of eight in the squat, huh, sets of eight, son of a bitch. Sets of eight, not seven, you gotta do eight, huh?"
Dean Saddoris: Speaking of that, on Monday ... We're a little off track here, but whatever. On Monday-
Danny Lehr: There's no track.
Dean Saddoris: ... three by 10-
Danny Lehr: The only track going on here is the train.
Dean Saddoris: The Flavor Town.
Danny Lehr: The Flavor Town train.
Dean Saddoris: The Flavor Town.
Danny Lehr: That's the only tracks running through this thing.
Dean Saddoris: I'm on my second cup today, and I haven't had any lunch. So, I'm feeling pretty fired up.
Danny Lehr: You're on the way to Flavor Town.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, I'm on the way to the fuckin' Panic Attack Town. What were we talking about? Oh.
Danny Lehr: Conductor.
Dean Saddoris: Leaving the gym, first thing I do.
Danny Lehr: Leaving the gym. Leaving the gym. Sets of eight.
Dean Saddoris: So, ideally, when I'm actually on top of it, I wanna do a shake at the gym, cause I know when I get home, it's not gonna happen.
Danny Lehr: Shake it, don't break it.
Dean Saddoris: So, currently I take a good amount of supplements. I'm on some creatine, BCAAs, fish oil, glutamine is inside my BCAAs. It's like an intra/post kind of drink I drink pretty much all day long.
Danny Lehr: Who makes that?
Dean Saddoris: That one, I actually currently ... I bounce around, kinda try different ones and flavors.
Danny Lehr: Like play the field?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. Right now, I'm taking ... What's it called, the post-workout stuff. It's a BCAA glutamine combo from Max Effort Muscle, the core AG stuff. Actually, the flavor is just bomb. It's like a lemonade, but it's not overly sweet. That tastes really good.
Danny Lehr: That's the glutamine BCAAs?
Dean Saddoris: Yes.
Danny Lehr: Do you think the BCAAs make a difference?
Dean Saddoris: You know, I don't know, but it helps me drink a lot more water, and honestly, it tastes really good.
Danny Lehr: Aaron, A-Aron, you take BCAAs?
Aaron: No, I don't.
Danny Lehr: Do you think they make a difference?
Aaron: They're added, so no, I don't.
Danny Lehr: There we go.
Dean Saddoris: You'll read a lot of stuff that says it doesn't do shit, and you'll read some stuff that says it does. Honestly, it helps me drink a proper amount of water every day. I like how it tastes.
Danny Lehr: Remember when Cellucor sent us the giant bags full of BCAAs? They're like the single-serving packets-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, and C4.
Danny Lehr: ... a couple hundred of them? Yeah, a couple hundred of those too. But with BCAAs ... I was still teaching at the time. I would take them to school, and I would just drink them like Kool-Aid. Between every class, I'd drink the BCAAs, and I'd just be like, dude, I'm trying to stay pumped out here. I'm trying to keep it pumped. I'd down, like, four a day.
Dean Saddoris: No, they're good. It tastes good, and it helps me drink water, so I'm just gonna keep drinking it.
Danny Lehr: So, protein, BCAAs-
Dean Saddoris: That would be ideal. Honestly I've been really slacking on the protein.
Danny Lehr: ... glutamine, and then what other supplements do you take? Fish oil, protein, BCAAs, glutamine.
Dean Saddoris: Well, caffeine, I guess, technically. I try not to-
Danny Lehr: Number one proven ergogenic aid.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, I actually don't really drink caffeine as far as before my training, or really after, just to kinda stay away from that, what's it called, when your muscles ... You explain.
Danny Lehr: Well, in recovery, like when you're finished working out-
Dean Saddoris: It's not really good to drink-
Danny Lehr: ... you wanna get back to homeostasis as soon as possible. So, post-workout takes about two hours, two to three hours, before your body's kind of in a rest and recovery state, right? Cause you can't recover unless you're in a resting state. So, any sort of stimulants immediately post workout, or within two hours or so of working out, do kind of delay you getting back into homeostasis where your body can then repair and improve.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that's it. I remember you told me that a while back, actually, and ever since then, I've kind of been way more conscious of that. I mean, if it only effects it a little bit, that's a little bit I can help myself recover.
Danny Lehr: That's the way I see it, is like, honestly-
Dean Saddoris: I don't care if it's 1%, that's 1% I'm gonna gain.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, and plus, 1%, if that happens every single workout ... Like, say you leave every workout, half an hour later, you're chugging a bunch of whatever, coffee or smoking a bunch of cigarettes, nicotine, or whatever you're doing-
Dean Saddoris: I mean, you gotta ... Sometimes you gotta have a couple-
Danny Lehr: Well, a couple heaters, you gotta pull a couple heaters.
Dean Saddoris: Post-workout heaters.
Danny Lehr: By the way, old Cal Strength days, couple individuals would be out smoking ... blowing some heaters between snatch clean jerk-
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that's like old-school way to be.
Danny Lehr: ... on the way to the gym. Some pick-me-up.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, three packs a day.
Danny Lehr: Yeah. Anyway ... out back, between snatch clean jerk. Anyway-
Dean Saddoris: That's funny.
Danny Lehr: ... But post workout, doing anything like that, stimulants, it's not really ideal for about two hours. Say it only affects 1% every recovery. Well shit, do that 100 days ...
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, adds up.
Danny Lehr: 100%. It's like you just lost a workout. And you might say, "Oh, what's one workout out of 100?" But let me tell you something, that shit's hard.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, why do that?
Danny Lehr: That is hard. Why would you do that to yourself?
Dean Saddoris: Just wait.
Danny Lehr: Just wait. Like, dude, I got two hours. I can make it two hours.
Dean Saddoris: Luckily for me, it's also later in the night. I'm not trying to honestly drink a bunch of coffee at 10:00 at night.
Danny Lehr: Late at night.
Dean Saddoris: There's really no gain in that for me. But yeah, after the big workout, get home. My drive home's about 15 minutes from the gym. So, usually get home-
Danny Lehr: What do you listen to on the drive?
Dean Saddoris: You know, probably like a game-
Danny Lehr: Sounds of the ocean?
Dean Saddoris: Probably a game. Like, if there's a basketball game on or ESPN Radio, or if I'm still feeling like something really cool happened, I might slap the music I was listening to in the gym while I was training.
Danny Lehr: Now here's one thing-
Dean Saddoris: Bring the party home.
Danny Lehr: ... One thing I can guarantee, PR happens, windows are down on the drive home.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, windows are down, shirts off, AC's on.
Danny Lehr: Dude, unless it's the winter, then it's the heater. John North, he always says, like, "Windows down, AC up." Let me tell you something-
Dean Saddoris: Honestly, I love that. That is a feeling.
Danny Lehr: Well, I do it. But you know what else I do? Let me tell you this. I also go windows down, heater up, in the winter time. He never talks about that. Poor heater.
Dean Saddoris: But AC on, windows down, that is a mood for sure. That is far beyond just like a joke. That's a mood.
Danny Lehr: I'll tell you what, windows down, heater up, that's a mood also.
Dean Saddoris: I just feel good when I hear that phrase.
Danny Lehr: It's a vibe.
Dean Saddoris: We'll get you some Children's Tylenol, and you'll be fine.
Danny Lehr: Children's Tylenol. "I think my sister's cold," you know? I say, "Well then, why don't you do us a solid and rub her a little, rub her tummy?"
Dean Saddoris: Rub her shoulders.
Danny Lehr: Warm her up. Whose fault is that? You're in the back. I'm in front. Don't kill daddy's vibe.
Dean Saddoris: No, don't. Can't kill the vibe. For dinner, we usually try and do a ... Me and Kelsey get home about the same time from the gym.
Danny Lehr: Quinoa and soy.
Dean Saddoris: No, yeah, far from those. Try and do like a solid-
Danny Lehr: Cous-cous.
Dean Saddoris: A cous-cous, what's that?
Danny Lehr: Cous-cous.
Dean Saddoris: What's cous-cous? I don't remember.
Danny Lehr: Cous-cous.
Dean Saddoris: What is it?
Danny Lehr: It's kind of like quinoa, it's like a grain, non-grain cous-cous. It's like quinoa, I think.
Dean Saddoris: I think I might've had it in one of those pre-made meals, or something.
Danny Lehr: My dad would make it backpacking, but I think he would only take it cause my mom would give him shit for buying it. So, I think he would just buy it because she complained about it.
Dean Saddoris: Oh yeah, I do that a lot.
Danny Lehr: Yeah, that's kinda my MO.
Dean Saddoris: I'll just eat something I hate, just to spite somebody.
Danny Lehr: Oh, yeah.
Dean Saddoris: "Oh, I hate when you bring that here. It stinks so bad." I'll bring it for the rest of the week.
Danny Lehr: The next month. That's right. I don't even like salmon.
Dean Saddoris: I'm actually just microwaving it, then throwing it out. Just to give the place a little aroma.
Danny Lehr: No, you gotta eat it so they see you eating it, then you go in the bathroom, and you purge.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, you purge out. For dinner though, we try and do, like, a nice balance of high protein, probably some high carbs honestly, like a good clean protein, clean carb, with some fats in there too, but try and just get a well-rounded dinner. Make sure that ... Optimize my recovery. Especially if I didn't have a shake, I really wanna do at least 20, 25 grams of protein, maybe like a sweet potato of some sort, or some vegetables. You know, try and do that most of the time. If I'm feeling lazy, swing by Chipotle, do like a bowl or something.
Danny Lehr: Chipote. You know what I eat for dinner? Whatever Jessica has on the table. I have never once complained. It's like laundry. I have never once complained about what's for dinner because I didn't cook it or prepare it.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, and at the end of the day ... At this point and stage in your life-
Danny Lehr: I just show up. She cooks mostly because she's home first. I used to cook more when I was home and she was gone, but now that she's home and I'm gone, it makes sense. I get home right around 5:00, with the kids, we eat early. So, it's like, it's just there. So, whatever it is, I'm just like, "Oh, that's awesome. I was hoping to have a chicken salad again."
Dean Saddoris: Hey, I love chicken salad.
Danny Lehr: Well, and that's the thing-
Dean Saddoris: Yucatan chicken salad from Dos Coyotes.
Danny Lehr: There's always like ... Oh, yeah. And it's like chicken thighs, like there's some fatty in there, it's not like plain chicken breast, plain salad. There's usually a lot going on. I really don't worry about eating vegetables-
Dean Saddoris: Like cranberry, any cranberries in there?
Danny Lehr: Dude, we actually call it the-
Dean Saddoris: Some shaved almonds?
Danny Lehr: I tell her she makes the best salads, and she just kinda shrugs her shoulders. We call it the kitchen sink salad. You just throw everything in it, but the kitchen sink. Yeah, so like, for example-
Dean Saddoris: So, you put the washer sponge in there?
Danny Lehr: Yeah, go sponge, and we also got a bottle brush, cause the baby, right? So, bottle brush goes in there, and the little cap too.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, nice.
Danny Lehr: No, so some sort of nut is in there, walnut, some shaved almonds, cashews, macadamia, whatever we got.
Dean Saddoris: What kind of dressing normally?
Danny Lehr: Normally it's like-
Dean Saddoris: Like vinaigrette?
Danny Lehr: ... an olive oil, this vinaigrette thing. It's some balsamic and then olive oil. We went to that olive oil tasting place ... Right now we're working our way through that blood orange olive oil.
Dean Saddoris: That was some good stuff.
Danny Lehr: Oh, it's good. So, anyway, and then there's like tomatoes, chopped up onion, some sort of a cheese-
Dean Saddoris: Maybe a celery?
Danny Lehr: ... maybe either like goat cheese, or whatever, just some sort of a cheese is in there.
Dean Saddoris: I'm a big bleu cheese in my salad kind of guy. Like, a steak salad with bleu cheese, like a Jack's Urban Eats steak salad, bleu cheese, onions.
Danny Lehr: Come on.
Dean Saddoris: It's a wrap city.
Danny Lehr: Wrap city.
Dean Saddoris: It's Flavor Town.
Danny Lehr: Flavor Town.
Dean Saddoris: Destination: Flavor City.
Danny Lehr: Flavor Town, destination: Dean-o.
Dean Saddoris: Dean-o. What's that guy's name?
Danny Lehr: Which one?
Dean Saddoris: The Flavor Town guy?
Danny Lehr: I don't know what you're talking about.
Dean Saddoris: He started that. The guy with the spiky hair.
Danny Lehr: No, we started that. I started that.
Aaron: Guy Fieri.
Dean Saddoris: Guy Fieri.
Danny Lehr: Guy Fieri. A-Aron knows Guy Fieri.
Dean Saddoris: That's like his thing, Flavor Town. That's what he says all the time.
Danny Lehr: Really?
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. That's where it came from.
Danny Lehr: I thought he said, "Boom!"
Dean Saddoris: No, I think that's-
Danny Lehr: That's Austin.
Dean Saddoris: ... Emeril Lagasse.
Danny Lehr: No, it's Austin.
Dean Saddoris: And Austin. Yeah, Austin does that a lot too. He likes to do that.
Danny Lehr: We should get Austin in here, on the next podcast, and have him do an Emeril Lagasse impression.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, we might have to get a new microphone. He might blow out the speaker.
Danny Lehr: That'd be fantastic. All right, well, I think that's probably it for today. We're a little past right around half an hour. And there we go.
Dean Saddoris: So, next time we're gonna-
Danny Lehr: We talked a little bit about pre/post workout, at least your routine.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah. Well, we talked about yours too, a little bit.
Danny Lehr: Little bit. It's okay. I'm not complaining about not talking about mine, I'm just saying kind of what we did. We discussed it.
Dean Saddoris: Did the dinner.
Danny Lehr: Oh yeah, the dinner. Whatever she made, which is much appreciated. And she always does good, there's always like meat, some sort of meat and vegetable. So, I don't even eat vegetables really throughout the day. I do sometimes, but I don't stress off it cause I know there's gonna be something at dinner.
Dean Saddoris: So wait, before we do sign off here, is there anything different from ... What are the differences from my post to yours, as far as after you work out? What's the first thing you do?
Danny Lehr: Well, like right now, I'm not taking ... I don't even take protein right now. I'm just kind of working out just to work out, you know what I mean?
Dean Saddoris: Honestly, I've been off protein lately also. I take everything else, just about, but that. The casein pudding at night used to be a really big part of my regiment, but I've just been lazy and slacking.
Danny Lehr: Oh yeah, it's so good. Well, actually right now, I don't really have a big routine because like I said, I work out three to four days a week. It's just like training for life, like longevity training.
Dean Saddoris: You're getting plenty of natural recovery already.
Danny Lehr: Exactly. It's more like longevity training than it is training for something, so it's different. When I'm training to compete, then I get like ... I'm very regimented and have a whole routine and everything.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, gotta get in all the recovery first.
Danny Lehr: Right now, it's kind of like, just get done. I stay away from stimulants for a couple hours post. The times of day I work out, I usually try to eat afterwards, that's like really the whole thing. I just try to eat something afterwards, within two hours.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, that's the goal. It's funny, like everybody says, "Oh, you gotta get protein in 20 minutes after workout." No, it's not true.
Danny Lehr: Dude, the window of gains.
Dean Saddoris: No. That's not true at all. No, it's not. Those are false. People are lying to you. The supplement companies are lying to you. They wanna sell you the convenience.
Danny Lehr: The window of gains, that's what they make the houses out of in Flavor Town.
Dean Saddoris: The head of UC Davis nutrition, for basically the entire building, actually trains at our gym. She said that, as far as recovery for post workout ... By the way, this girl's crazy jacked. Like, I go in the gym, and I feel like I'm completely out of shape. It's bad, she's like crazy jacked. But she says you got at least, like, an hour to an hour and a half to get the same benefits as you would if you drank a shake 10 minutes after you're out.
Danny Lehr: Well, here's the other side of it is it takes at least 30 minutes to digest anything. Like, it takes 20 to 30 minutes for your body to absorb water. What do you think it takes to digest food? You think that you drink that shake now, you think that your body is going to digest it, process it, and shuttle it into your muscles? So really, the thing to do is that ... not post, not pre, what's it called? Intra. Like intra-workout, or actually pre-workout, ideally. It's kinda funny cause your body shuts down digestion during training, so if you eat right before training, it just sits in your stomach because all of your blood flow is not in your organs and your stomach. All your blood flow is to your extremities, your muscles, you're using.
So, it doesn't really digest it. But really though, if it's not in your stomach when you're training, it's not going to be into your body until, like, an hour or so after you're done training. So yeah, getting it in soon is good, but really, it's like, man, just fuckin' eat something.
Dean Saddoris: Yeah, go home and eat, and you'll be just fine.
Danny Lehr: There it is.
Dean Saddoris: There it is.
Danny Lehr: Just go home and eat. You'll be fine.
Dean Saddoris: Just go home and eat.
Danny Lehr: Moral of the day. You know how to get there?
Dean Saddoris: Flavor Town. Take the train.
Danny Lehr: Choo-choo! All aboard! All aboard!
Dean Saddoris: Next stop-
Danny Lehr: Flavor Town!
Dean Saddoris: All right.
Danny Lehr: All right. Oh, our jingle.
Dean Saddoris: Oh, do you have one?
Danny Lehr: No, I thought you had one.
Dean Saddoris: No, I don't.
Danny Lehr: Contest still up. Podcast@caffeineandkilos-
Dean Saddoris: We'll extend it through the week.
Danny Lehr: ... all spelled out, caffeineandkilos, email@example.com. Send in a jingle. Hey, quick one, just real quick, off the top of your head.
Dean Saddoris: I can't-
Danny Lehr: Gas Station Cappuccino.
Dean Saddoris: I got nothing. I got nothing.
Danny Lehr: (singing)
Dean Saddoris: I knew "think" was coming in there. Well, I hope you guys come up with something better than that, please.
Danny Lehr: Flavor Town!
Dean Saddoris: I don't wanna hear that again.
Danny Lehr: All right.
Dean Saddoris: Till next time.
Danny Lehr: All right, peace out.
Dean Saddoris: See ya.